Legislature(2013 - 2014)HOUSE FINANCE 519

04/12/2013 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 95(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the compensation, allowances,                                                                          
     geographic differentials in pay, and leave of certain                                                                      
     public officials,  officers, and employees  not covered                                                                    
     by  collective bargaining  agreements; relating  to the                                                                    
     compensation  and geographic  differentials  in pay  of                                                                    
     certain  justices  and   judges;  relating  to  certain                                                                    
     petroleum engineers  and petroleum  geologists employed                                                                    
     by  the Department  of Natural  Resources; relating  to                                                                    
     increased  pay for  certain partially  exempt employees                                                                    
     of   the  state   in  specific   circumstances;  making                                                                    
     conforming amendments;  and providing for  an effective                                                                    
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:31:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello  MOVED   to  ADOPT   the  proposed                                                                    
committee substitute  for CSSB  95, Work  Draft 28-GS1101\C,                                                                    
(Wayne, 4/11/13).                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL GEORGE, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE BILL STOLTZE discussed                                                                    
that the  CS included  five changes. He  pointed to  page 2,                                                                    
lines 24  through 25 where  language clarified who  would be                                                                    
subject to  the leave  accrual portions of  the legislation.                                                                    
He  noted  that  previously  the  section  had  referred  to                                                                    
"officers and  employees of the  state employed  before July                                                                    
1,  2013,  are entitled  to  personal  leave with  pay  that                                                                    
accrues  as follows..."  The language  had  been changed  to                                                                    
read  "Officers and  employees of  the state  who are  first                                                                    
employed before July 1, 2013,  in a position for which leave                                                                    
may  accrue are  entitled to  personal leave  with pay  that                                                                    
accrues as  follows..." He  noted that  the same  change had                                                                    
been made to page 3, lines 5 through 6.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. George  pointed to the  next change  on page 4,  line 12                                                                    
where the word  "and" had replaced the word "or"  at the end                                                                    
of the  sentence ["(1) be  exempt from the  limitation under                                                                    
(b)  of this  section;  and..."]. He  directed attention  to                                                                    
page 4,  lines 15  through 21 where  paragraph (e)  had been                                                                    
inserted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:34:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. George reiterated  the change on page 4,  line 12, where                                                                    
the word "or"  had been replaced with the word  "and" at the                                                                    
end of the  sentence. He pointed to the next  change on page                                                                    
4,  lines 15  through  21  where a  paragraph  (e) had  been                                                                    
inserted. A  drafting error had  been corrected on  page 12,                                                                    
line 18, where the language  "sec. 15" replaced "sec. 16" to                                                                    
maintain consistency throughout the paragraph.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holmes asked about page 4, lines 15-21.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:36:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS   THAYER,   DEPUTY    COMMISSIONER,   DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION,  pointed  to  various  staff  available  for                                                                    
questions. He mentioned that HB  195 was a similar bill. The                                                                    
bill  established   the  consistency  for  cost   of  living                                                                    
allowances  for  non-covered  employees   of  1  percent,  1                                                                    
percent, and 2.5 percent for  the next 3 years respectfully.                                                                    
He detailed  that the increases had  recently been bargained                                                                    
with  the  public employee  unions.  The  bill also  reduced                                                                    
leave  accrual   for  new  hires;  current   employees  were                                                                    
grandfathered into the  previous accrual rate. Additionally,                                                                    
a leave cap  of 1,000 hours was created for  the first time;                                                                    
hours that were  currently earned and were  over 1,000 hours                                                                    
were protected.  The bill  decreased the  percentage between                                                                    
pay  increments for  exempt and  partially exempt  employees                                                                    
from 3.75 percent to 3.25 percent every 2 years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  continued to discuss  the legislation;  it would                                                                    
allow  the  state to  enhance  its  ability to  recruit  and                                                                    
retain   skilled  professionals   in   highly  complex   and                                                                    
specialized  positions such  as  the  Department of  Natural                                                                    
Resources manager  position for  the Division  of Geological                                                                    
and Geophysical  surveys (the position  had been  vacant for                                                                    
more than 1 year). The  bill would also implement geographic                                                                    
pay differentials;  he noted that  the CS  included justices                                                                    
and judges.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:38:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz asked  if the  bill applied  area cost                                                                    
differentials  to exempt  and non-exempt  employees for  the                                                                    
first time. If not, she  wondered when the practice had been                                                                    
implemented.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICKI NEAL,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF PERSONNEL,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION, replied that it was  not the first time that                                                                    
the   geographic   differential   was  applied   to   exempt                                                                    
employees.  She believed  the statutory  provision had  been                                                                    
adopted  in  1966;  the provision  specifically  applied  to                                                                    
partially exempt  and non-covered classified  employees. She                                                                    
could not say  whether the provision had  first been applied                                                                    
to  exempt employees  upon its  implementation in  1966. She                                                                    
detailed  that a  number  of years  ago,  the provision  had                                                                    
begun to apply to exempt employees  who were paid off of the                                                                    
statutory salary schedule.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz  asked for comment on  a McDowell Group                                                                    
study  and  any  impact  it had  on  the  cost  differential                                                                    
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:39:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal replied  that the  McDowell Group  had recommended                                                                    
the  establishment of  geographic differential  pools. There                                                                    
were five  pools (including a  base pool) and  locations had                                                                    
been  grouped  based on  survey  results.  She relayed  that                                                                    
differences   between   surveys   were   not   statistically                                                                    
significant. For  example, one  pool including  ranges above                                                                    
base of 5  percent to 17 percent may have  been grouped with                                                                    
a geographic  differential of 11 percent.  She restated that                                                                    
a  statistically significant  difference  between the  pools                                                                    
did not exist.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman  asked the department to  comment on other                                                                    
changes in the CS.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal  communicated that  Sections 1  through 3  had been                                                                    
added  in the  Senate CS.  The sections  provided geographic                                                                    
differential  to judges  and justices  on $100,000  of their                                                                    
base  salary;   the  current  geographic   differential  was                                                                    
applied   to  $40,000.   She   shared   that  the   proposed                                                                    
differential  was  consistent   with  rates  established  in                                                                    
Section 15  of the bill. Sections  4 and 5 had  been amended                                                                    
to clarify  that leave accrual  rates were  determined based                                                                    
on  an employee's  first  date  of hire  as  opposed to  the                                                                    
employee's most  recent appointment  date. An  editing error                                                                    
on page 4, line 12 had  been corrected and the word "or" had                                                                    
been  replaced  with  the  word  "and" at  the  end  of  the                                                                    
sentence.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal  continued  to  address   changes  in  the  CS.  A                                                                    
subsection (e) had  been added to the bill on  page 4 [lines                                                                    
15 through 21]. She relayed  that the wording of the section                                                                    
was  consistent with  wording in  Section  6 that  addressed                                                                    
what would occur  if 15 days of personal leave  was not used                                                                    
during  a 12-month  period. She  elaborated  that the  leave                                                                    
would  be  canceled  without  pay   unless  an  agency  head                                                                    
certified  in  writing  that the  employee  was  denied  the                                                                    
opportunity to take  the leave. Section 20  had been amended                                                                    
in  the Senate  CS to  define  public officers  as heads  of                                                                    
principle departments of the  executive branch and permanent                                                                    
and  temporary  employees  in   the  executive  branch  (not                                                                    
including  the   governor  and  lieutenant   governor).  She                                                                    
continued that  Section 16  had been  incorrectly referenced                                                                    
in Section  24, page 12, line  18 and had been  corrected to                                                                    
read "sec. 15."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman WITHDREW  his OBJECTION.  There being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION, Work Draft 28-GS1101\C was ADOPTED.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  asked the department to  comment on                                                                    
the problem  the bill attempted  to solve related  to leave.                                                                    
She wondered if the bill  would prevent a person from saving                                                                    
leave  to  use  at  a  future date  for  something  like  an                                                                    
extended vacation.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:44:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied  the bill would require a  person who had                                                                    
over 400  hours of leave  to use  112.5 hours of  leave. The                                                                    
department had  bargained with unions  that one week  of the                                                                    
112.5 total  could be  cashed out.  He added  that employees                                                                    
could choose to cash out all but one week of leave.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  addressed  the  leave  issue  as  a  whole.  He                                                                    
explained  that the  absence  of  a cap  on  leave had  been                                                                    
brought   to   the   forefront   during   the   department's                                                                    
negotiations  with unions.  He  noted that  a  cap that  had                                                                    
existed on  sick leave  had been  removed. He  conveyed that                                                                    
the state currently had an  unfunded leave liability of $164                                                                    
million.  One of  the bargaining  goals was  to address  the                                                                    
issue by  slowing down the  accrual for new  employees after                                                                    
July 1,  2013; the  change applied  to the  three bargaining                                                                    
units and  the legislation would  extend the change  to non-                                                                    
covered employees. The  bill placed a cap of  1,000 hours on                                                                    
accumulated leave (the cap had  also been bargained with the                                                                    
unions;  the Classified  Employees Association  union had  a                                                                    
cap  of  825  hours).  He   furthered  that  there  were  10                                                                    
employees  that  made up  35,000  hours  of leave  that  was                                                                    
valued at  $1.6 million. He  stated that the value  of leave                                                                    
over  $1,000 was  $1.2 million.  Under the  legislation, the                                                                    
liability  of  the future  10  employees  in outlying  years                                                                    
would be $400,000 instead of $1.6 million.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer continued  that the mandatory usage  of leave had                                                                    
been  increased under  the legislation.  The existing  usage                                                                    
requirement was one-week of leave  per year; the requirement                                                                    
had been increased to two  weeks of leave for employees with                                                                    
below 400 hours  of leave; employees with over  400 hours of                                                                    
leave would  be required to  take three weeks of  leave with                                                                    
the ability to cash in one  of the three weeks. He explained                                                                    
that a person  with 400 hours of leave  was accumulating 270                                                                    
hours, but they would only be  required to use 112 hours. He                                                                    
listed items  used by the  bill to address the  $164 million                                                                    
leave  liability  including  the   leave  cap,  new  accrual                                                                    
ratings, and increasing the mandatory  leave usage. He added                                                                    
that the  current liability would  not increase  because the                                                                    
department was  actively working to  reduce the amount  to a                                                                    
manageable level.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:48:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara pointed to page  4, line 8. He addressed                                                                    
emergency situations  that would  enable an employee  to use                                                                    
more than  1,000 hours  of leave.  He thought  the exception                                                                    
would be  permissible in situations  beyond an  employee who                                                                    
was denied  the opportunity to  use leave. He  wondered what                                                                    
happened  if a  single mom  with four  children developed  a                                                                    
serious medical condition  and needed the leave  in order to                                                                    
receive treatment.  He asked  if the  hypothetical situation                                                                    
would be covered under the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer replied  that  1,000 hours  of  leave was  worth                                                                    
approximately 6  months. He communicated that  union members                                                                    
had access to  emergency leave that would provide  up to one                                                                    
month of health care.  He relayed that non-covered employees                                                                    
would have to rely on leave donated by colleagues.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked if the  department saw  a problem                                                                    
with the limit. Mr. Thayer replied in the negative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  believed  there   was  a  problem.  He                                                                    
elaborated that a union employee  would receive health care,                                                                    
but  no pay  for  an  additional month;  and  a mother  with                                                                    
cancer  needing extensive  treatment could  not use  accrued                                                                    
leave she had earned and worked  for to help her through the                                                                    
circumstance.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  stated that  1,000 hours  would be  available to                                                                    
the employee for use.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara relayed  that medical  conditions could                                                                    
last beyond 6 months in some circumstances.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman   observed  that  a  Department   of  Law                                                                    
employee was available for questions as well.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:51:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal clarified  that  an employee  could  accrue up  to                                                                    
1,000 hours  and could  use any of  the leave  they accrued.                                                                    
She restated  the potential  medical situation  as described                                                                    
by  Representative  Gara and  noted  that  employees of  all                                                                    
bargaining  units and  non-covered  employees could  receive                                                                    
donated  leave   from  coworkers.  She  expounded   that  an                                                                    
employee  would  be paid  for  any  donated leave  received;                                                                    
health  insurance  would  continue for  the  any  particular                                                                    
month  when an  employee  was in  paid-leave  status at  the                                                                    
first  of   the  month.  She   specified  that   unions  had                                                                    
additional leave  programs such  as an emergency  leave bank                                                                    
that employees could contribute  to and a catastrophic leave                                                                    
bank;  supervisors and  confidential units  had catastrophic                                                                    
leave as well.  She relayed that a generous  amount of leave                                                                    
was  available.  She  added that  employees  were  typically                                                                    
generous with leave  donation when a coworker  had a medical                                                                    
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara   asked  for   a  description   of  the                                                                    
catastrophic leave bank.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal  replied  that the  catastrophic  leave  bank  was                                                                    
available  to   several  unions   and  possibly   more.  She                                                                    
explained  that provisions  differed by  agreement; however,                                                                    
the  bank   was  most  commonly  filled   by  employees  who                                                                    
separated from the  state with an excess  leave balance. She                                                                    
discussed  that  years back  there  had  been a  distinction                                                                    
between  annual and  sick leave;  when  the conversion  took                                                                    
place  many  employees  ended  up  with  excess  sick  leave                                                                    
because  only  a  portion had  been  converted  to  personal                                                                    
leave. The  excess sick leave  was available to  an employee                                                                    
when they  had a significant medical  condition. The balance                                                                    
canceled when  an employee terminates state  service; all or                                                                    
a portion  of the  units were  placed into  the catastrophic                                                                    
leave bank.  The bank was  then available for  union members                                                                    
to  maintain  pay  status  typically  for  health  insurance                                                                    
purposes. She  stated that most  commonly the  bank provided                                                                    
enough leave  to keep  an employee in  pay status  the first                                                                    
couple  of  days  of  the   month  to  ensure  their  health                                                                    
insurance is paid.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  whether anyone  was contributing                                                                    
to the catastrophic leave banks currently.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal  answered  that  some   units  had  a  substantial                                                                    
balance.  She shared  that there  were still  employees with                                                                    
excess  sick leave  balances. She  stated  that the  balance                                                                    
would likely be exhausted in  many years; however, a balance                                                                    
currently  existed that  employees  continued to  contribute                                                                    
to.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:55:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki asked how  much leave existed in the                                                                    
catastrophic  and other  union  funds. He  wanted to  ensure                                                                    
that  protection   existed  for   future  years.   Ms.  Neal                                                                    
responded that  the department maintained and  had access to                                                                    
the accounts. She would follow up with the balances.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki referred to  an amendment related to                                                                    
the geographic pay differentials he  had planned to offer to                                                                    
a  similar bill  (HB  195); he  did not  plan  to offer  the                                                                    
amendment  to  SB 95.  He  understood  that there  had  been                                                                    
controversy when  the first differentials had  been adopted.                                                                    
He did not  have reason to disagree with  the McDowell Group                                                                    
study, but  he observed that for  differential pay Fairbanks                                                                    
was  a  3  and  Anchorage   was  a  zero.  He  listed  other                                                                    
communities  that  were  listed  as  zeros  (Delta,  Denali,                                                                    
Cantwell) and  guessed that the  locations were on  the road                                                                    
system  and  would  be  more   expensive.  He  wondered  how                                                                    
frequently the survey was conducted.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  replied that  a survey was  supposed to  be done                                                                    
every five years;  the most recent study  had been completed                                                                    
in 2009.  The department  would ask  for an  allocation from                                                                    
the legislature in FY 15 for an updated study.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:57:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki looked at  language in Section 16 of                                                                    
the bill  noted that the geographic  pay differential survey                                                                    
was subject to appropriation, which  was always the case. He                                                                    
wanted  to  ensure  that  the  division  would  conduct  the                                                                    
survey.  He  was  interested  to  know  whether  the  survey                                                                    
results and  pay rates  across the  state were  changing. He                                                                    
believed  the department  should  have  the information.  He                                                                    
noted  that  the   survey  was  not  a   given  because  the                                                                    
legislation  specified  that it  would  be  done subject  to                                                                    
appropriation.  He wanted  the department  to regularly  ask                                                                    
for money to fund the survey.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thayer  understood Representative Kawasaki's  intent and                                                                    
ensured that  the department would make  the funding request                                                                    
at the five-year mark.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon pointed  to pages 6 and 7  of the bill                                                                    
and  stressed  that   the  geographic  differential  numbers                                                                    
between  communities  did  not  make  sense.  He  looked  at                                                                    
various  communities:  Fairbanks  was   a  3,  nearby  Delta                                                                    
Junction  was  a zero,  Dillingham  was  a 37,  nearby  King                                                                    
Salmon  was a  50,  Bethel was  at  50, Nome  was  a 37.  He                                                                    
emphasized  that  the numbers  were  all  over the  map.  He                                                                    
wondered what  could take  place to  bring the  numbers into                                                                    
alignment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer   relayed  that   the  department   had  emailed                                                                    
responses  to  committee  members' questions  on  April  11,                                                                    
2013.  He replied  that the  Bethel differential  was higher                                                                    
than  those  for  Dillingham  and   Nome  because  the  2009                                                                    
McDowell Group study assigned  cost differentials to various                                                                    
locations  throughout   the  state  based  on   a  household                                                                    
consumption survey  and a retail price  survey. He furthered                                                                    
that  below  the  differentials assigned  to  the  locations                                                                    
Bethel had been a 1.53, Dillingham  was a 1.37, and Nome was                                                                    
at  1.39. The  study  had also  recommended  that the  state                                                                    
define  geographic differential  pay  pools  in the  various                                                                    
communities.    He   elaborated    that    based   on    the                                                                    
recommendations  Bethel  had  been  placed  at  50  percent;                                                                    
whereas Dillingham and  Nome had been placed  at 37 percent.                                                                    
He  furthered  that  the household  consumption  and  retail                                                                    
price  surveys  had  looked  at  utilities,  cost  of  fuel,                                                                    
transportation costs, and home  prices. He explained that in                                                                    
some  of the  rural areas  such as  Glennallen and  Tok many                                                                    
residents did  not have mortgages,  which was  factored into                                                                    
the study as  a low cost of living in  the areas compared to                                                                    
Fairbanks  or  Anchorage with  home  values  of $300,000  or                                                                    
$400,000.  He noted  that the  McDowell Group  could discuss                                                                    
the survey with members.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon did  not want  to belabor  the point,                                                                    
but restated that the numbers in the survey were disparate.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman had  heard  similar  comments from  other                                                                    
committee members.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:02:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson  wondered  why Valdez  and  Cordova                                                                    
were at 11 and  Yakutat was at zero. He looked  at page 7 of                                                                    
the bill and noted that  Deadhorse was listed as 50 percent.                                                                    
He relayed  that state employees  traveled to  the community                                                                    
to  keep snow  cleared at  the airport;  he wondered  if the                                                                    
employees  were living  in state  housing  and whether  they                                                                    
received a  50 percent  differential or  per diem.  He asked                                                                    
about the Coldfoot community as well.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal answered  that if Deadhorse was  an employee's duty                                                                    
station they  would receive  the [50  percent] differential;                                                                    
however,  if  their  duty  station   was  in  Fairbanks  the                                                                    
employee would  receive the  Fairbanks differential  and per                                                                    
diem.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson  asked  for  verification  that  an                                                                    
employee  based in  Fairbanks traveling  to Deadhorse  for 3                                                                    
weeks of work  would be paid the  Fairbanks differential and                                                                    
per diem.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal replied in the affirmative.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:03:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson asked  about the household consumption                                                                    
survey. She  wondered if the  survey looked at the  price of                                                                    
housing or if a person had a mortgage.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer replied that the  study had looked at both items.                                                                    
He  noted  that phone  interviews  had  been conducted  with                                                                    
employees to help with the study.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked how much the  studies cost. Mr.                                                                    
Thayer replied that the survey cost approximately $500,000.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  wondered  how  many  employees  were                                                                    
contacted for  the study.  Ms. Neal  replied that  the study                                                                    
results indicated how many employees  were contacted in each                                                                    
location. She  could follow  up with  the data  and informed                                                                    
members  that the  study was  available on  the department's                                                                    
website.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  speculated   that  the  state  could                                                                    
conduct a cost of living  survey for less than $500,000. She                                                                    
recalled that  communities did not  believe the  prior study                                                                    
was accurate.  She wondered if  there would be a  better way                                                                    
to conduct the study.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal replied  that  the study  determined  the cost  of                                                                    
living  in an  area  and included  responses  from a  random                                                                    
sample of community  members. The prior study  had cost just                                                                    
under $400,000  and the  department estimated  the following                                                                    
study  would  be around  $500,000,  but  that it  would  not                                                                    
exceed the amount.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:06:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked if  a Request for  Proposal was                                                                    
submitted  for   the  survey.  Ms.  Neal   answered  in  the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman asked  Representative Holmes  to look  at                                                                    
the cost of the surveys to  see if there were ways to reduce                                                                    
the number.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:06:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara had  seen numbers  changed in  the past                                                                    
based  on personal  experience  and  knowledge of  committee                                                                    
members.   He   surmised   that   Representative   Thompson,                                                                    
Representative  Edgmon, or  other committee  members may  be                                                                    
able to  point out illogical geographical  pay differentials                                                                    
and  to modify  the  numbers until  more  accurate data  was                                                                    
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  pointed to page  4, lines 6  through 8.                                                                    
He asked  for verification that  a state employee  could use                                                                    
more than 1,000  hours of leave if they had  been denied the                                                                    
opportunity to use it.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal  replied  that  the   provision  would  enable  an                                                                    
employee to  accumulate more  than 1,000  hours of  leave if                                                                    
they  were denied  the  opportunity to  use  it during  that                                                                    
year.  She  noted  that  the  ability  was  subject  to  the                                                                    
adoption of  regulations by the  personnel board.  She added                                                                    
that providing the ability was the department's intent.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  wondered if the department  was keeping                                                                    
track of leave hours that employees were not able to use.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal replied that an  employee would be required to keep                                                                    
their leave  balance at 1,000 hours  or below at the  end of                                                                    
the leave  year. Employees had  the ability to use  leave or                                                                    
to  cash  it in  to  keep  the  level  at 1,000  hours.  The                                                                    
department did  not allow employees to  accumulate more than                                                                    
1,000 hours of leave.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  queried how the department  would grant                                                                    
more  than 1,000  hours to  people who  had been  denied the                                                                    
opportunity  to  use  leave.   Ms.  Neal  replied  that  DOA                                                                    
notified employees  and supervisors  prior to  the end  of a                                                                    
leave  year  that  the employee  would  exceed  the  maximum                                                                    
allowable limit  at the end  of the year. She  detailed that                                                                    
the employee  had the  option of  scheduling the  leave with                                                                    
the  supervisor's approval  or cashing  it out  to keep  the                                                                    
number of hours at or below 1,000.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  asked   for  verification   that  the                                                                    
department   allowed   employees   who   were   denied   the                                                                    
opportunity to use the leave to exceed the 1,000 limit.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal  responded in the affirmative.  She elaborated that                                                                    
regulations would allow the department  head to certify that                                                                    
an  employee had  been  denied the  opportunity  to use  the                                                                    
leave,  which would  enable their  leave  balance to  accrue                                                                    
beyond the 1,000 hour limit.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:11:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson asked  whether money  had been  set                                                                    
aside to fund the leave balance or if it was unfunded.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal replied  that the state had a  reserve account. The                                                                    
balance was sufficient  to pay the leave for  the next year,                                                                    
but it  was not sufficient  to pay  out all of  the existing                                                                    
leave.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson  shared that when he  had been mayor                                                                    
[City  of  Fairbanks]  the  city had  200  employees  and  a                                                                    
$700,000 unfunded leave balance.  He expounded that the city                                                                    
had eventually  set the  money aside  and had  begun funding                                                                    
unused leave on  an annual basis. He  asked for verification                                                                    
that the state had a leave  balance set aside to help offset                                                                    
the problem.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal answered in the affirmative.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 1:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 8:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Insert "leave" after "or for illness confirmed in                                                                     
          writing by a physician"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara spoke  to the  amendment. He  explained                                                                    
that there  were rare circumstances  in which a  person knew                                                                    
they  would  need  to  take  time off  due  to  illness.  He                                                                    
believed that  a person was  entitled to leave  earned above                                                                    
1,000 hours  if an illness  required them to take  time off.                                                                    
He understood  the state's goal  with the cap,  but stressed                                                                    
that an exception should exist  in cases of serious illness.                                                                    
He detailed  that the  extra 40  to 80  or more  hours would                                                                    
make  a   difference  to   individuals.  He   cited  various                                                                    
financial responsibilities a person  may have such as caring                                                                    
for children, paying  for school, and other.  He opined that                                                                    
an exception  for medical leave  was of equal  importance to                                                                    
the one allowable exception that  enabled employees who were                                                                    
not  permitted to  use leave  to accumulate  over 1,000  per                                                                    
year.  He  stated  that  under  the  circumstance  employees                                                                    
should be granted  access to leave earned;  he considered it                                                                    
a work ethic reward.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson  asked how the amendment  would read                                                                    
in the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  pointed to  page 4,  line 7  and stated                                                                    
that   the  amendment   would  modify   the  bill   to  read                                                                    
"...because  the   officer  or   employee  was   denied  the                                                                    
opportunity to  use personal leave or  for illness confirmed                                                                    
in writing by a physician."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson pointed  to  the drafted  amendment                                                                    
and observed  that it would  insert the word  "leave" [after                                                                    
"or for illness confirmed in writing by a physician"].                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara MOVED to AMEND Amendment 1 to read:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 8                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Insert after "leave" "or for illness confirmed in                                                                     
          writing by a physician"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holmes OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman  asked Representative Gara to  clarify how                                                                    
the amendment would read in the bill.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  replied   that   with  the   proposed                                                                    
amendment  the bill  would read  "...because the  officer or                                                                    
employee was  denied the opportunity  to use  personal leave                                                                    
or for illness confirmed in writing by a physician."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holmes  asked   for  the  administration  to                                                                    
comment on the  amendment. She did not  believe the language                                                                    
in Amendment  1 would  accomplish the sponsor's  intent. She                                                                    
detailed that the  bill section related to how  much leave a                                                                    
person could accumulate; whereas,  the sponsor had discussed                                                                    
the  amendment in  the context  of how  much leave  a person                                                                    
could use.  She understood that the  legislation would allow                                                                    
an employee  to accumulate  1,000 hours  of leave;  a person                                                                    
who became ill  could use all 1,000 hours, but  would not be                                                                    
accumulating additional hours.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman clarified that  the amendment to Amendment                                                                    
1 was before the committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holmes WITHDREW  her OBJECTION.  There being                                                                    
NO further OBJECTION, Amendment 1 was AMENDED.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman restated the amendment as amended.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara affirmed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz asked if  the amendment would allow for                                                                    
a  continual  accumulation  of hours  over  the  1,000  hour                                                                    
limit.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal replied  in the affirmative. She  clarified that an                                                                    
employee's  leave balance  would reduce  if they  became ill                                                                    
and  began to  use  their  leave. As  long  as the  employee                                                                    
remained in paid-leave status they  would continue to accrue                                                                    
leave.  She furthered  that when  an employee  was on  leave                                                                    
full-time they would use leave  faster than they accrued it;                                                                    
therefore, they would  fall below the 1,000  hours and would                                                                    
not reach a  point where they would  accumulate beyond 1,000                                                                    
hours.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman pointed  to language  on page  4, line  4                                                                    
stating that  the personnel board may  adopt regulations. He                                                                    
wondered  if  the  provision  allowed  the  board  to  adopt                                                                    
regulations that would cover the amendment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal answered in the affirmative.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:19:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson  pointed to  a situation in  which a                                                                    
person  may realize  they would  need major  surgery 5  or 6                                                                    
months in  the future that  would require recovery  time. He                                                                    
asked for  verification that the  amendment would  allow the                                                                    
person to  accumulate more than  1,000 hours to  ensure they                                                                    
had sufficient leave time accrued for recovery.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal affirmed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello stated that  the intent of Amendment                                                                    
1 was  to allow a person  to accrue and use  more leave. She                                                                    
observed that  under the  system a  person could  not accrue                                                                    
more  than 1,000  hours of  leave while  they were  in paid-                                                                    
leave status. She believed the  amendment could also address                                                                    
a  situation where  a person  knew they  would need  to take                                                                    
leave  in the  future  to  deal with  a  medical issue.  She                                                                    
detailed that  if the person  accrued more than  1,000 hours                                                                    
and had a letter from a  doctor they would be allowed to use                                                                    
the total hours of leave earned.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal replied that the  tracking of the issue might prove                                                                    
challenging.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello countered  that  under the  current                                                                    
bill the  department would  track individuals  accruing more                                                                    
than 1,000 hours  who had not been permitted  to take leave.                                                                    
She wondered why there would  be a difference in the ability                                                                    
to track one circumstance and not another.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal  agreed  that  tracking  would  be  available  for                                                                    
conditions under the amendment [if adopted].                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman  added that the amendment  would allow the                                                                    
personnel  board  to  adopt regulations  to  deal  with  the                                                                    
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:23:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki  pointed to a circumstance  in which                                                                    
a person had  saved up leave in anticipation  of double knee                                                                    
replacement surgery.  He believed individuals  were planning                                                                    
ahead for  major medical needs more  frequently. He wondered                                                                    
if  a person  could take  leave if  another person  in their                                                                    
family was ill.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Neal  replied in  the affirmative;  a person  could take                                                                    
leave  to care  for  a  family member.  She  pointed to  the                                                                    
existence of federal and state family leave acts.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki  spoke in support of  the amendment.                                                                    
He  discussed that  the Fairbanks  Memorial  Hospital had  a                                                                    
leave bank  and a maximum  leave cap of 650  hours; however,                                                                    
the hospital also  had the ability to surpass  the limit for                                                                    
items  such as  adult  care.  He provided  an  example of  a                                                                    
husband and  wife sharing  duties to  care for  elder family                                                                    
members.  He believed  the circumstances  were arising  more                                                                    
and more frequently.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  for verification  that a  person                                                                    
could  use  leave  if they  accrued  it.  Another  committee                                                                    
member or  an administration  representative replied  in the                                                                    
affirmative [inaudible].                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson wondered  if  the  department was  in                                                                    
favor  of   the  amendment.  She   stated  that   the  issue                                                                    
represented a policy call and  related to how much liability                                                                    
the state would have. She  believed 1,000 hours of leave was                                                                    
substantial. She  read the proposed amendment:  "for illness                                                                    
confirmed  in writing  by a  physician."  She stressed  that                                                                    
there were  a multitude  of illnesses,  some of  which would                                                                    
have  a minor  impact;  however, the  minor illnesses  could                                                                    
also  be  brought  to  a   supervisor  for  increased  leave                                                                    
approval under  the amendment. She surmised  that the intent                                                                    
of the  existing exception that  would allow an  employee to                                                                    
exceed  1,000  hours  of  leave   was  related  to  specific                                                                    
situations  where specialists  with  unique expertise  could                                                                    
not  take time  off. She  opined that  the current  language                                                                    
would not  create a significant  amount of tracking  for the                                                                    
department,  but  that  the amendment  could  increase  that                                                                    
number substantially and may require  DOA to employ a person                                                                    
to  provide   the  tracking   function.  She   believed  the                                                                    
amendment was counterproductive to  the goal of reducing the                                                                    
state's liability.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:26:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer noted  that the  department  had not  previously                                                                    
discussed the amendment. He reminded  the committee that the                                                                    
bill  only applied  to  1,300  non-covered executive  branch                                                                    
employees (such as  employees of the Department  of Law). He                                                                    
shared the  concern that non-life threatening  illnesses may                                                                    
be  harder  to track  or  defend;  the  goal  was to  cap  a                                                                    
liability.  He  stated  that there  was  a  compassion  that                                                                    
played  into the  conversation related  to life  threatening                                                                    
illnesses. He relayed  that the unions felt  that six months                                                                    
was a  generous leave  amount; the  unions had  been granted                                                                    
the 1,000 hour cap and he  felt it made sense to provide the                                                                    
same number for non-covered employees.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson voiced her  opposition to Amendment 1.                                                                    
She  believed the  amendment  would cause  the  issue to  be                                                                    
brought up for union contracts.  She furthered that the idea                                                                    
had come at  a late notice and she did  not know exactly how                                                                    
it would  impact the bill. She  opined that if the  idea was                                                                    
good that it should  be introduced the following legislative                                                                    
session for  inclusion in all contracts  instead of applying                                                                    
it to a limited number of employees.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:28:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson  spoke in support of  the amendment.                                                                    
He surmised  that if a person  knew that they were  going to                                                                    
need  a  double hip  replacement  or  knee replacement  that                                                                    
regulations would  specify the requirement  for confirmation                                                                    
by a physician explaining how  many months a person would be                                                                    
out of  work. He believed it  would be up to  the department                                                                    
to outline  the criteria. He  stressed that a  person should                                                                    
be able to  save leave hours if they provided  a letter from                                                                    
a physician.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman  stated that the personnel  board was able                                                                    
to  adopt  regulations. He  remarked  that  there were  many                                                                    
unknowns related to the issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holmes communicated  that  she  was "on  the                                                                    
fence" regarding  the amendment. She believed  the amendment                                                                    
would not  help people plan  far enough ahead  for illnesses                                                                    
such as cancer,  but that it would help  people planning for                                                                    
surgery.  She discussed  that  the  amendment would  provide                                                                    
more  generous   terms  to   exempt  and   partially  exempt                                                                    
employees than to union employees.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  wondered whether the  amendment was                                                                    
too vague  or if  the department  could use  the committee's                                                                    
intent as a guideline for the adoption of regulations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  replied that the committee's  testimony could be                                                                    
gathered to  help formulate  regulations. He  understood the                                                                    
intent and saw  a need for a similar  amendment; however, he                                                                    
was concerned about who would  determine whether an employee                                                                    
needed extra  leave hours.  He stressed  that the  state did                                                                    
not want to  get into situations in which an  employee had a                                                                    
significant amount of leave that  they could cash out at any                                                                    
time. He furthered  that if leave accrual  above 1,000 hours                                                                    
was allowed it  would necessary to define that it  was for a                                                                    
medical reason, when  it would occur, and how  long it would                                                                    
take. He  stated that  the amendment  alone would  not allow                                                                    
the department  to accomplish the definition.  He pointed to                                                                    
a  situation where  an employee  could amass  many hours  of                                                                    
leave, decide not  to have surgery, and then  cash the leave                                                                    
out at retirement.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:32:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman wondered  if  the  amendment would  allow                                                                    
personnel  to  adopt  regulations  that  would  address  the                                                                    
concerns.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  was aware of the  growing liability                                                                    
to the state.  She noted that the amendment  was intended to                                                                    
address circumstances  in which a person  needed extra leave                                                                    
for use  at a specific time.  She pointed to the  word "may"                                                                    
on page  4 ["the  personnel board  may adopt  regulations to                                                                    
allow an  exemption from the requirements..."]  and wondered                                                                    
if it  meant the  department would not  be required  to take                                                                    
any action.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal replied  that it  was the  department's intent  to                                                                    
adopt regulations,  but the language  did not require  it to                                                                    
do so.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello asked for  a track record of donated                                                                    
leave  hours. She  wondered whether  there were  individuals                                                                    
who received a tremendous amount of donated leave.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Neal replied  in the  affirmative. She  elaborated that                                                                    
employees were often very  sympathetic when their co-workers                                                                    
were sick. She had seen  employees receive hundreds of hours                                                                    
and  referenced a  specific situation  in which  an employee                                                                    
had received  over 1,000 hours  of donated leave.  She noted                                                                    
that donated leave was not subject  to the cap; it went into                                                                    
a  separate  account  and  was processed  on  an  as  needed                                                                    
(first-in, first-out) basis.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman  asked  for verification  that  a  person                                                                    
could not  cash out donated  time. Ms. Neal answered  in the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz  stated that the issue  of fairness was                                                                    
her priority. She observed that  the legislation would apply                                                                    
to  higher  paid  employees and  not  union  employees.  She                                                                    
believed the lack  of fairness was troubling.  She wanted to                                                                    
see the  issue become  part of future  contract negotiations                                                                    
and to find a way to make it fair for all employees.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  addressed  the  comments  provided  by                                                                    
other members  and the administration. He  communicated that                                                                    
the personnel  board would not  need to adopt  regulation if                                                                    
the amendment  was worded well  and did not  require further                                                                    
delineation; however,  the word  "may" enabled the  board to                                                                    
put  regulation in  place if  necessary.  He discussed  that                                                                    
there  were  many  circumstances  when  people  planned  for                                                                    
medical  events.  He  pointed  to  his  personal  experience                                                                    
planning 6 months  ahead for cancer surgery  the prior year.                                                                    
He  noted  that recovery  time  could  be much  longer  than                                                                    
anticipated. He addressed a concern  that a malingerer could                                                                    
sham the state; he emphasized  that the state would have the                                                                    
right  to  fire  the  employee.  He  believed  adopting  the                                                                    
amendment would  give unions a better  chance at negotiating                                                                    
its expansion to  their members. He would like  to see union                                                                    
members  receive  the  benefit  as  well,  but  it  was  not                                                                    
possible to amend their contracts  at present. He reiterated                                                                    
his support for the amendment.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:38:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  pointed to  donated leave  banks that                                                                    
could  be set  up  for  employees. She  believed  it made  a                                                                    
difference that  the amendment could  not be applied  to all                                                                    
state workers. She  surmised that there were  items in place                                                                    
that could  be used to  address the issue. She  guessed that                                                                    
unions would have negotiated for  more leave if 6 months was                                                                    
not sufficient.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson  remarked that depending  on someone                                                                    
receiving donated leave could not  be relied on. He provided                                                                    
an example and stated that he  may choose to donate leave to                                                                    
Representative Wilson but may choose  not to donate leave to                                                                    
Representative Gara.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello stated  that the amendment addressed                                                                    
a  valid concern.  She relayed  that  she would  vote no  at                                                                    
present, but would  write a letter asking  the department to                                                                    
look at the issue. She felt  that the current wording may be                                                                    
problematic  and was  willing  to  work with  Representative                                                                    
Gara during the interim to correct the issue.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken  on the motion to adopt Amendment                                                                    
1.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Gara, Kawasaki, Thompson, Neuman                                                                                      
OPPOSED: Wilson, Costello, Holmes, Munoz                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The amendment failed (4/4).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:42:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  discussed   the  three  previously                                                                    
published fiscal  notes. The first  note (FN1) was  from the                                                                    
Office  of  the  Governor  and showed  a  fiscal  impact  of                                                                    
$8,171,900 in  FY 14, $4,821,800  in FY 15,  and $10,664,000                                                                    
in FY 16  [corrected below]. The second note  (FN2) was from                                                                    
the Legislature and indicated a  fiscal impact of $1,281,200                                                                    
in FY  14, $410,400 in FY  15, and $1,039,300 in  FY 16. The                                                                    
third  note  (FN3) was  from  the  Alaska Court  System  and                                                                    
included a  fiscal impact of  $1,088,700 in FY  14, $749,100                                                                    
in FY 15, and $1,890,900 in FY 16.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holmes clarified  that the  FY 16  amount in                                                                    
FN1 was $10,644,000.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello affirmed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:44:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello MOVED  to REPORT  HCS CSSB  95(FIN)                                                                    
out  of committee  with individual  recommendations and  the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representatives Kawasaki and Gara OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kawasaki  commented that the  last geographic                                                                    
pay  differential  study  had  been done  in  2008  and  was                                                                    
outdated; a  capital budget appropriation  had been  made to                                                                    
fund the  2008 study. He  noted that the previous  study had                                                                    
been done 15 years earlier.  He had not offered an amendment                                                                    
that would make sure the  director was required to conduct a                                                                    
survey.  He  believed  it was  the  department's  intent  to                                                                    
conduct  a  survey,  but  he thought  members  may  be  more                                                                    
comfortable if the language was  in statute. He WITHDREW his                                                                    
OBJECTION.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  appreciated the interest that  had been                                                                    
expressed in  Amendment 1.  However, he  pointed to  page 4,                                                                    
line 7 of the legislation  and stated that it was impossible                                                                    
to work out  a solution with the  department because statute                                                                    
specified  that DOA  would not  be  allowed to  do what  the                                                                    
amendment  would  do.  He  detailed  that  the  only  people                                                                    
allowed  to  accumulate  over  1,000  hours  of  leave  were                                                                    
employees who  were denied the  opportunity to  use personal                                                                    
leave. He stressed that the change  would need to be made in                                                                    
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman  remarked  that  an  amendment  could  be                                                                    
offered on the House floor.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There  being  NO  further OBJECTION  HCS  CSSB  95(FIN)  was                                                                    
REPORTED out  of committee with  a "do  pass" recommendation                                                                    
and  with three  previously published  fiscal impact  notes:                                                                    
FN1(GOV), FN2(LEG), FN3(CRT).                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:47:08 PM                                                                                                                    
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Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CS-FIN SB 7, version C (with FilmFix).pdf HFIN 4/12/2013 1:30:00 PM
SB 7
Memo 13-232 lnd (for CS-FIN SB 7, version C).pdf HFIN 4/12/2013 1:30:00 PM
SB 7